Same link as before. Again, this is quite unjust, and even moreso since Obama wasn’t even on the ballot. Undoubtedly, many stayed home because of this. In fact, given the number of “Uncommitted” votes, Obama had a strong chance to win if the contest were run fairly. But again, it almost undoubtedly will not affect the outcome.
It looks like Clinton will take the issue to the Credentials Committee, but hopefully a superdelegate flood post-June 3rd will stop that in its tracks.
The Magic Number appears to be at 64. Obama has 2053 delegates with 2117 needed.
Looks like I might have spoken too soon when I said that the unanimous vote would likely quell any possibility of a Clinton appeal: “Harold Ickes said, ‘Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee.'”
And a comment from the DemConWatch I linked to in my last post, from Galois: “Michigan looks like a foregone conclusion 69-59 pledged, unpledged restored, but all have 1/2 votes. Ickes and Clinton aren’t happy, but Don Fowler is supporting it.”
CORRECTION: The vote on Florida was unanimous. The Michigan split was 19-8.
The vote was apparently unanimous. It’s wrong that any delegates from Florida will be seated, and it’s very unfair to Obama, his supporters, and the rest of the country. But since it almost undoubtedly won’t change the outcome, it had to be done to calm the complainers. The unanimous vote will likely quell any possibility of a Clinton appeal, at least.
Still waiting on results from the RBC in regards to Michigan. The reasonable guess is probably the 69-59 split.
Will update the Magic Number when possible.
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Tagged '08 Election, Barack Obama, Democratic Nomination, Democratic Party, Florida Delegates, Florida Primaries, Hillary Clinton, Politics, RBC, RBC Results, Rules and By-Laws Committee
From the Daily Kos: Clinton Attempting to Unseat Delegates in Texas.
Clinton supporters are trying to unseat the delegates of Collin County, Texas because they held their caucus a day late due to logistical issues with such a large turnout (3:05 p.m. update: luckily, the attempt failed).
It would be hard for me to be more sickened. This is completely and utterly indefensible, especially given Clinton’s Michigan and Florida rhetoric. It just goes to show, yet again, that the desire to seat Florida and Michigan has absolutely nothing to do with making everyone’s vote count.
Not that any of this is new or surprising, really. Throughout the process she’s been ignoring the votes of basically any state that didn’t go her way anyway, does not want to give Obama any delegates for Michigan even though it’s clear at least some of the “uncommitted” votes would have been for him, and is now dismissing each and every caucus state in her newest argument on why she should win the nomination. What a wonderful candidate we have.
An NPR story: How Clinton Shifted on Michigan, Florida Delegates. It speaks for itself. Break the rules to benefit yourself, Clinton. Yeah, we want our president to have that attitude. I’m still baffled how anyone can still support her, let alone think the Florida and Michigan argument is the result of rational thinking. But, then again, to still believe Clinton deserves the nomination even after she has lost fairly is irrational in itself.
It’s been awhile since I’ve bothered to post anything substantive, and I recently entered a cycle in which I’ve posted nothing at all. We are in the dregs of the campaign (yet again), and the arguments are entrenched. Clinton continues to argue her tortured “popular vote” count, Florida and Michigan absurdly remain an issue, and Clinton supporters (or Republicans posing as Clinton supporters) continue to say that if Clinton doesn’t win, they’ll vote McCain.
It’s really hard to tell which argument is the most absurd and all have been argued to death. Everything has been said ad nauseam, so repeating it here would be useless. However, there’s one thing that absolutely has to be said in response to the last argument (and has been said in the past, a number of times by me, but not much recently).
The apparent reason for the argument is that it would persuade superdelegates to endorse Clinton out of fear that these individuals won’t vote Obama in November. Obviously, this shows a calculation such that its veracity is highly doubtful. Assuming it was true however, just imagine what would happen if the superdelegates did overturn the election. What in the world do these people think would happen if the superdelegates did vote the way they wanted them to? Of course there are people on both sides who wouldn’t vote for the other side even if won fairly, but it would be far more damaging to the Democratic Party to steal the election away from Obama than it would be by allowing the results to stand: a fair win by Obama.
I can’t help but hit on this point again and again (as I have in this weblog). It’s so obvious, and yet we continue to have Clinton supporters threaten a McCain vote. It’s insane to say such a thing in the first place, and insane to assume that there would be no negative reaction if the superdelegates did overturn the result.
That said, the Magic Number stands at 45, and assuming the RBC doesn’t completely screw things up this weekend, it shouldn’t veer off from this too much. So, yet again, it’s basically over.
Superdelegates, I know you’ve probably been waiting to let this process “play itself out” and only make your endorsement only after all the Primaries are held. Well, you’ve allowed the Party to become more and more split by your non-action, and in the past few days, we now have events like this: Florida delegates file lawsuit to get delegation seated. If you care one iota about keeping your Party together, if you have any inkling of a desire to win in November, it’s time to finally act to end this nonsense that is doing nothing but angering both sides.
Plus, if you act now, maybe all the delegates from Florida and Michigan could be seated as is anyway.
Posted in Clinton, Democratic Party Implosion, Obama
Tagged '08 Election, Barack Obama, Democratic Party Implosion, Democrats, Florida Delegates, Hillary Clinton, Michigan Delegates, Political Lawsuits, Politics, Superdelegates